A while back, some friends and I started a photography forum and, whilst it currently only has several dozen members, it is growing steadily.
Why a new forum ? Well, the main idea was to have a forum which was more photography centric, than equipment centric. Also a forum, which had as it's founding premise, an attitude of being (and remaining) a friendly and informative venue.
Membership is by application and if you would like to join in, then please follow the link here
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Friday, 15 July 2011
Sunday, 5 December 2010
Frankly My Dear ...
... I'm sure you know the rest.
I was in a funny mood this morning. Well I wasn't to start, but soon ended up that way.
I woke up quite early, had a couple of cups of coffee, and then had a look at some forum topics about photography. One, in particular, caught my eye where a newcomer to photography had posted some images. Sure they lacked a little technically, but they were great compositions and excellent captures of the moment. This photographer really had an 'eye'.
I kept reading through the thread and the majority of people thought as I, and only posted praise for the compositions and encouragement to the photographer to keep on doing whatever it was he was doing.
Didn't take too long though to get to a poster who stated that the images were downright technical crap, and offered umpteen 'advices' about camera settings, photography rules, post processing 'must do's' and how to compose an image properly.
The sad thing was that the newcomer thanked the 'critic' profusely, reposted one of his images duly edited to instruction, and promised to properly conform next time. Pity. There was promise there, now it is gone.
Anyway, I had a look at this particular critics gallery. It was clearly apparent that his own work wouldn't be fit even for recycling use in the bathroom, and I am being polite.
I'm sure you know the type. Full of advice shouted through the cyber waves with abundant tones of authority.
Whenever challenged, they demand to know why the 'challenger' dare challenge the 'facts' and demand they discuss the matter.
Reality is that at that point any further response is pointless, as they will only respond with belittlement, which quickly turns into an ad hominem attack, etc. Which actually means they feel threatened.
Seriously, these people don't want to discuss, or converse, they simply want to stamp their authority on the moment and have the last word. Reality is they set the art of conversation back a thousand years.
I tend to look at it this way. There are movies I have absolutely loved, but were panned by the critics. There were others I thought were crud, but lauded by the critics. How many critics make movies though ?
It's easy to be a critic. Any fool (tool) can do it.
One of my favourite songs is by John Mellencamp - The Authority Song. Actually have it playing while I write this.
" ... I fight authority, and probably always will ... "
So what does this have to do with anything ? Well, like I said the self appointed/opinionated 'authority' was demanding conformity with their own set of rules. Their view was paramount. Their knowledge was above all. Reminds me of the Inquisitors. Their expertise was what all must aspire to. I'm sure you get the drift.
In photography, there are defined rules. Of course there are. Think about that though.
The first photographers were simply trying to capture a scene. Most were technicians, engineers, chemists, who had assembled a box, stuck a bit of glass at the front, and conjured up some medium to capture the image after putting it through a bath of chemicals. With all the process rigmarole, I doubt too many were getting too bogged down with the finer points of rules.
They weren't trying to conform to anyone else's standards, and certainly not to anyone else's vision. They were the pioneers. They endured and triumphed in small simple steps and, in the end, we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for their perseverance.
So when it comes to photography authority, what does that really mean ?
Sure, we know a lot more than the pioneers did about our pastime. We have an amazing array of photographic tools at our disposal, and with the internet age we can get advice at the click of a button. But who are we ? Are we artists, technicians, critics ?
Anyway, as I said, I was in a funny mood. I kicked the cat, grabbed my camera and headed off to the local market to buy some vegetables. Going to make my world famous spaghetti bolognese today - Bigfoot Bolognese
It was still dark when I got to the market and the days activity was just beginning. Knowing I had a while to wait before what I wanted would be on sale, I started playing with the camera.
Like I said, it was dark. I changed the settings on the camera to some I don't normally use and started shooting what I saw. I wasn't looking to create masterpieces, never do, just looking to capture the activity. That is my photographic passion in a nutshell.
The thing I love about Thai markets is they are raw. There is nothing pretentious here, no fancy shelves, fittings or uniformed staff. No PA systems, muzak, nor floor moppers. I hate supermarkets for those very reasons, and more.
Sometimes I wonder why they don't combine hospitals and supermarkets in the same space. They are both antiseptic sterile entities which no-one in their right mind wishes to go to.
In the markets though, the seller has a simple space to peddle their wares. It may be a stall, a table, or it may simply be on the ground. They are there to sell their goods, without pretense nor fanfare.
Questions of hygiene are rarely considered, nor are thoughts of glossy presentation. They are simple, they are down to earth, and yet they buzz with life.
Sellers and buyers are simply involved in the 'moment' of life. And really that is what I love about it. It's a celebration of the moment.
It's also what I love about taking photographs. Capturing that moment. Celebrating the event. Sure I know the technical, but I would rather capture the moment and break the technical rules than miss that special slice of time.
I know it's a bit of a long-winded ramble, but all of this set the scene for the images I took this morning.
There's more though.
When I came back, I duly loaded the images on the box. I started looking at them and musing about how to correct some which were less than technically correct.
Some were noisy, blurry, dark, had blocked shadows, blown highlights, keystoning, weren't straight, weren't centred, had poor skin tones, and the list goes on.
I thought of the armchair authorities who would criticise the images but stuck my finger up and persevered.
I thought - Stuff it, kicked the cat again and proceeded to process them in a non-conventional manner.
I didn't bother with correcting them technically, simply processing them to convey the mood, the moment, the clutter and the activity. It was the moment I was after, the sense of life underway. Screw the technical !!
So, enough ranting. No apologies though. Where's that bloomin' cat ?
If you wish to have a look at what I ended up with, they are in part two. If you like them, well and good. If not -
' ... I don't give a damn ... '
And, to all those obsessed with conformity, rules, technocorrectness, the critics and the armchair experts, I say the same. I'm being polite again.
Images in part two - Click here
PS - I don't have a cat.
Cheers
PS - If you would like to join the EyeMindSoul Photography Forum, click for details here
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I was in a funny mood this morning. Well I wasn't to start, but soon ended up that way.
I woke up quite early, had a couple of cups of coffee, and then had a look at some forum topics about photography. One, in particular, caught my eye where a newcomer to photography had posted some images. Sure they lacked a little technically, but they were great compositions and excellent captures of the moment. This photographer really had an 'eye'.
I kept reading through the thread and the majority of people thought as I, and only posted praise for the compositions and encouragement to the photographer to keep on doing whatever it was he was doing.
Didn't take too long though to get to a poster who stated that the images were downright technical crap, and offered umpteen 'advices' about camera settings, photography rules, post processing 'must do's' and how to compose an image properly.
The sad thing was that the newcomer thanked the 'critic' profusely, reposted one of his images duly edited to instruction, and promised to properly conform next time. Pity. There was promise there, now it is gone.
Anyway, I had a look at this particular critics gallery. It was clearly apparent that his own work wouldn't be fit even for recycling use in the bathroom, and I am being polite.
I'm sure you know the type. Full of advice shouted through the cyber waves with abundant tones of authority.
Whenever challenged, they demand to know why the 'challenger' dare challenge the 'facts' and demand they discuss the matter.
Reality is that at that point any further response is pointless, as they will only respond with belittlement, which quickly turns into an ad hominem attack, etc. Which actually means they feel threatened.
Seriously, these people don't want to discuss, or converse, they simply want to stamp their authority on the moment and have the last word. Reality is they set the art of conversation back a thousand years.
I tend to look at it this way. There are movies I have absolutely loved, but were panned by the critics. There were others I thought were crud, but lauded by the critics. How many critics make movies though ?
It's easy to be a critic. Any fool (tool) can do it.
One of my favourite songs is by John Mellencamp - The Authority Song. Actually have it playing while I write this.
" ... I fight authority, and probably always will ... "
So what does this have to do with anything ? Well, like I said the self appointed/opinionated 'authority' was demanding conformity with their own set of rules. Their view was paramount. Their knowledge was above all. Reminds me of the Inquisitors. Their expertise was what all must aspire to. I'm sure you get the drift.
In photography, there are defined rules. Of course there are. Think about that though.
The first photographers were simply trying to capture a scene. Most were technicians, engineers, chemists, who had assembled a box, stuck a bit of glass at the front, and conjured up some medium to capture the image after putting it through a bath of chemicals. With all the process rigmarole, I doubt too many were getting too bogged down with the finer points of rules.
They weren't trying to conform to anyone else's standards, and certainly not to anyone else's vision. They were the pioneers. They endured and triumphed in small simple steps and, in the end, we owe them a huge debt of gratitude for their perseverance.
So when it comes to photography authority, what does that really mean ?
Sure, we know a lot more than the pioneers did about our pastime. We have an amazing array of photographic tools at our disposal, and with the internet age we can get advice at the click of a button. But who are we ? Are we artists, technicians, critics ?
Anyway, as I said, I was in a funny mood. I kicked the cat, grabbed my camera and headed off to the local market to buy some vegetables. Going to make my world famous spaghetti bolognese today - Bigfoot Bolognese
It was still dark when I got to the market and the days activity was just beginning. Knowing I had a while to wait before what I wanted would be on sale, I started playing with the camera.
Like I said, it was dark. I changed the settings on the camera to some I don't normally use and started shooting what I saw. I wasn't looking to create masterpieces, never do, just looking to capture the activity. That is my photographic passion in a nutshell.
The thing I love about Thai markets is they are raw. There is nothing pretentious here, no fancy shelves, fittings or uniformed staff. No PA systems, muzak, nor floor moppers. I hate supermarkets for those very reasons, and more.
Sometimes I wonder why they don't combine hospitals and supermarkets in the same space. They are both antiseptic sterile entities which no-one in their right mind wishes to go to.
In the markets though, the seller has a simple space to peddle their wares. It may be a stall, a table, or it may simply be on the ground. They are there to sell their goods, without pretense nor fanfare.
Questions of hygiene are rarely considered, nor are thoughts of glossy presentation. They are simple, they are down to earth, and yet they buzz with life.
Sellers and buyers are simply involved in the 'moment' of life. And really that is what I love about it. It's a celebration of the moment.
It's also what I love about taking photographs. Capturing that moment. Celebrating the event. Sure I know the technical, but I would rather capture the moment and break the technical rules than miss that special slice of time.
I know it's a bit of a long-winded ramble, but all of this set the scene for the images I took this morning.
There's more though.
When I came back, I duly loaded the images on the box. I started looking at them and musing about how to correct some which were less than technically correct.
Some were noisy, blurry, dark, had blocked shadows, blown highlights, keystoning, weren't straight, weren't centred, had poor skin tones, and the list goes on.
I thought of the armchair authorities who would criticise the images but stuck my finger up and persevered.
I thought - Stuff it, kicked the cat again and proceeded to process them in a non-conventional manner.
I didn't bother with correcting them technically, simply processing them to convey the mood, the moment, the clutter and the activity. It was the moment I was after, the sense of life underway. Screw the technical !!
So, enough ranting. No apologies though. Where's that bloomin' cat ?
If you wish to have a look at what I ended up with, they are in part two. If you like them, well and good. If not -
' ... I don't give a damn ... '
And, to all those obsessed with conformity, rules, technocorrectness, the critics and the armchair experts, I say the same. I'm being polite again.
Images in part two - Click here
PS - I don't have a cat.
Cheers
PS - If you would like to join the EyeMindSoul Photography Forum, click for details here
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Friday, 3 December 2010
Useful Photography Web Sites - Technical
This post started out to be a list but, as I wrote it, I started adding some commentary.
I must stress that any comments I do make, in this post, are simply based on my own observations, and experiences. They should not be taken as any form of endorsement, or otherwise.
Over the years, I have stumbled across some technically oriented photography web sites, which I find useful, and thought I would share some of them here. I have also stumbled across many that are not so, but I will not share those here.
No web site should ever be viewed as the 'gospel' on digital cameras, particularly those which are commercially based. In reality, their whole purpose of existence is to sell you something.
I should stress that any time I am researching cameras, with a view to purchase, I spend far more time looking at any sample images I can find, and also reading users experience reports.
Whenever I find original, full sized sample images, I download them and put them through my normal post processing work flow. This is, after all, what I will be doing if I were to purchase the camera. Reading a review is usually lowest on my decision making list.
Reading reviews of cameras/equipment should certainly be part of the decision equation, but you should keep in mind that any review site is a sales outlet. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would rather hear what photographers who use equipment in real life situations have to say and, more importantly, look at the results they are getting.
One of my own experiences was that I purchased a camera back in early 2003, my third digital, and this particular camera did not rate well in on-line reviews. However, I had already purchased it before I read the reviews.
Conversely, in late 2004, I purchased a camera which was very highly rated in on-line reviews, and also because the publisher, I was working with, had several lenses available for use. The latter being quite enticing.
My experience with both ?
The first was eminently usable, both in the studio and also in the field and I still use it occasionally. It's output is still superb and, to date, I have shot close to 20,000 images with it.
The second ? Well, I was miserable with it from the get-go and we parted company quite quickly. I rarely sell cameras, but this was a waste of time keeping. I had planned to use it on a series of book projects I was involved with, but after a few thousand images it was clear that it was not suitable. This experience also left me wary of that particular 'brand'.
Anyway, enough rambling - To the point of the post.
Technical Photography Sites
Certainly not an exhaustive list but all of these sites I visit regularly.
Note : Clicking on a site name will take you to that sites home page
DP Review
Keep in mind that I am not placing these in any 'ranked' order, but I put this first as it was really the first technical site I used to research a digital camera, I wished to purchase, way back in 2002. The site presents news and reviews of digital cameras. The reviews, they undertake, are comprehensive and it also has some of the most active discussion forums for digital cameras. That being said; the forums are, largely, non-moderated and it can be difficult to find useful information amongst the 'grand-standers'.
Cambridge In Colour
This site started in 2005 and, initially, was more about photography around Cambridge University. It has since grown to include many excellent tutorials, technique and technical articles, and also forums. It is also one of the few sites around which is not trying to sell you something.
Steve's Digicams
A broad range of camera reviews, news, technical articles and forums.
Imaging Resource
Again, reviews, news, technical articles and forums. One of the most useful features of this site, is it's 'Comparometer'. This allows you to select different models and view images side by side.
The Luminous Landscape
This site deals more with 'high end' cameras but has many tutorials and technical articles.
Digital Camera Resource
A broad range of camera reviews, news, technical articles and forums.
ByThom
Perhaps more Nikon centric, but more recently encompassing other brands, there are many reviews, tutorials and technical articles.
Digital Photography School
Camera reviews, tips, tutorials, forums.
As I mentioned earlier, I will add to this over time. There are other sites I find useful but I don't necessarily think of them until I am looking for something specific and, at the moment, I can't think of them.
A quick note on the forums which some of these sites run :
Forums are simply made up of a collection of people from disparate experiences and whose common bond (hopefully) is photography.
Over the years, I have participated in many photography forums. I even signed up to a new one today. I am quite active on only one forum, and an occasional visitor to a couple of others.
On literally any forum you will find real experts and those who profess expertise. Those who truly have any worthwhile expertise to share, are those who can not only explain why, but also show why with their own output.
As in any area of life, there are those who only want to hear the sound of their own voice and bully others into submission to their opinions, then there are those who actually have something worthwhile to impart and can demonstrate their knowledge in their imagery.
Some sites moderate their forums, some don't. Un-moderated, or poorly moderated, forums can be a mine field for the unwary.
On many, you often see long term 'armchair experts' view new members as easy prey to impress with their so called knowledge. Many of these people post endlessly, don't use the equipment they profess expertise in, and can demonstrate nothing with their own images.
If you are thinking of participating in a forum, try and get a feel for 'who is who'. Look at things like posting history, politeness in responses, demonstrable photography output, etc. When opinions are given, ask for the opinion givers own output to support their claims.
It's really quite simple - Don't believe opinions, believe results.
And just for fun - A worth reading post from The Online Photographer. If you're not certain who the photographers are, look them up.
Click here for the Online Photographer article
Anyway, hope some of the above is helpful.
Update : More recently (February 2011), I and a couple of friends have started the EyeMindSoul Photography forum. It is more photography centric than technical.
Membership is by application and if you would like to join in, then please follow the link here
Cheers
...
I must stress that any comments I do make, in this post, are simply based on my own observations, and experiences. They should not be taken as any form of endorsement, or otherwise.
Over the years, I have stumbled across some technically oriented photography web sites, which I find useful, and thought I would share some of them here. I have also stumbled across many that are not so, but I will not share those here.
No web site should ever be viewed as the 'gospel' on digital cameras, particularly those which are commercially based. In reality, their whole purpose of existence is to sell you something.
I should stress that any time I am researching cameras, with a view to purchase, I spend far more time looking at any sample images I can find, and also reading users experience reports.
Whenever I find original, full sized sample images, I download them and put them through my normal post processing work flow. This is, after all, what I will be doing if I were to purchase the camera. Reading a review is usually lowest on my decision making list.
Reading reviews of cameras/equipment should certainly be part of the decision equation, but you should keep in mind that any review site is a sales outlet. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would rather hear what photographers who use equipment in real life situations have to say and, more importantly, look at the results they are getting.
One of my own experiences was that I purchased a camera back in early 2003, my third digital, and this particular camera did not rate well in on-line reviews. However, I had already purchased it before I read the reviews.
Conversely, in late 2004, I purchased a camera which was very highly rated in on-line reviews, and also because the publisher, I was working with, had several lenses available for use. The latter being quite enticing.
My experience with both ?
The first was eminently usable, both in the studio and also in the field and I still use it occasionally. It's output is still superb and, to date, I have shot close to 20,000 images with it.
The second ? Well, I was miserable with it from the get-go and we parted company quite quickly. I rarely sell cameras, but this was a waste of time keeping. I had planned to use it on a series of book projects I was involved with, but after a few thousand images it was clear that it was not suitable. This experience also left me wary of that particular 'brand'.
Anyway, enough rambling - To the point of the post.
Technical Photography Sites
Certainly not an exhaustive list but all of these sites I visit regularly.
Note : Clicking on a site name will take you to that sites home page
DP Review
Keep in mind that I am not placing these in any 'ranked' order, but I put this first as it was really the first technical site I used to research a digital camera, I wished to purchase, way back in 2002. The site presents news and reviews of digital cameras. The reviews, they undertake, are comprehensive and it also has some of the most active discussion forums for digital cameras. That being said; the forums are, largely, non-moderated and it can be difficult to find useful information amongst the 'grand-standers'.
Cambridge In Colour
This site started in 2005 and, initially, was more about photography around Cambridge University. It has since grown to include many excellent tutorials, technique and technical articles, and also forums. It is also one of the few sites around which is not trying to sell you something.
Steve's Digicams
A broad range of camera reviews, news, technical articles and forums.
Imaging Resource
Again, reviews, news, technical articles and forums. One of the most useful features of this site, is it's 'Comparometer'. This allows you to select different models and view images side by side.
The Luminous Landscape
This site deals more with 'high end' cameras but has many tutorials and technical articles.
Digital Camera Resource
A broad range of camera reviews, news, technical articles and forums.
ByThom
Perhaps more Nikon centric, but more recently encompassing other brands, there are many reviews, tutorials and technical articles.
Digital Photography School
Camera reviews, tips, tutorials, forums.
As I mentioned earlier, I will add to this over time. There are other sites I find useful but I don't necessarily think of them until I am looking for something specific and, at the moment, I can't think of them.
A quick note on the forums which some of these sites run :
Forums are simply made up of a collection of people from disparate experiences and whose common bond (hopefully) is photography.
Over the years, I have participated in many photography forums. I even signed up to a new one today. I am quite active on only one forum, and an occasional visitor to a couple of others.
On literally any forum you will find real experts and those who profess expertise. Those who truly have any worthwhile expertise to share, are those who can not only explain why, but also show why with their own output.
As in any area of life, there are those who only want to hear the sound of their own voice and bully others into submission to their opinions, then there are those who actually have something worthwhile to impart and can demonstrate their knowledge in their imagery.
Some sites moderate their forums, some don't. Un-moderated, or poorly moderated, forums can be a mine field for the unwary.
On many, you often see long term 'armchair experts' view new members as easy prey to impress with their so called knowledge. Many of these people post endlessly, don't use the equipment they profess expertise in, and can demonstrate nothing with their own images.
If you are thinking of participating in a forum, try and get a feel for 'who is who'. Look at things like posting history, politeness in responses, demonstrable photography output, etc. When opinions are given, ask for the opinion givers own output to support their claims.
It's really quite simple - Don't believe opinions, believe results.
And just for fun - A worth reading post from The Online Photographer. If you're not certain who the photographers are, look them up.
Click here for the Online Photographer article
Anyway, hope some of the above is helpful.
Update : More recently (February 2011), I and a couple of friends have started the EyeMindSoul Photography forum. It is more photography centric than technical.
Membership is by application and if you would like to join in, then please follow the link here
Cheers
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